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ARC’s, an occasional privilege for all and not a monopoly for the few y’all.

ARC’s, an occasional privilege for all and not a monopoly for the few y’all:

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As those of you who have followed my blog for a while might remember way back in July I wrote a post about ARC’s called ARC’s Ggggrrrr, if any of you want to peruse it the link can be found !!HERE!! Where I offered my opinion on the rules of requesting ARC’s and the supposedly golden rule of 6 months blogging and 500 followers before you should even consider requesting an ARC.

The other day my fellow blogger and good friend Jill at RantandRaveaboutBooks wrote a post entitled the raves of blogging, a link canbe found !!HERE!! It’s a great read so I’d suggest giving it a read, after you’ve finished reading this post of course! Now, in her post Jill touched on the subject of ARC’s. I refrained from offering my thoughts in her comments section, as I didn’t want to start a debate on her blog and in her post due to something I wrote as it would have been unfair of me to pollute her blog with my views.

Jill is also currently running a rant contest for her 6 month bloggiversary, so this bad boy will count as my entry and I also get to muse on one of my most hated of subjects in blogging, ARC’s and the supposed rules surrounding them, it’s a win win! Find Jill’s rant contest !!HERE!!

My previous post about ARC’s was written before I had been blogging for 6 months and before I had 500 followers either, partly due to a few posts I had seen where bloggers gave new bloggers rules on blogging and while generally helpful the ARC’s rule stuck out for me as I’d requested ARC’s near as soon as I started blogging and I thought that would make me vilified in the blogging community as I’d requested precious ARC’s before that golden rule of 6 months/500 followers and on the posts I read it didn’t come across as advice with logic and reasoning behind it, no, it came across as established bloggers thinking that they have the monopoly on ARC’s as they have been blogging for years and have thousands of followers, way to keep the little man/woman/blog down!

As mentioned, I requested ARC’s straight away, only one or two and they were books in series that I liked so they were books I’d have actually bought anyway but I thought it was worth a shot to see if I was lucky and I was, I got the books. Main reason I requested them though was that I wanted to see if there was any hope for my blog, I’d only just started it and had seen the 6 months/500 rule being bandied about and thought am I ever going to get the chance at an ARC? I was honest in my emails to the publisher that I had only just started a blog and that honesty got me the ARC’s. Wasn’t I had disobeying that rule! Aren’t I a terrible blogger, oh the shame, please accept my heartfelt and sincere apologies for requesting ARC’s before the alloted time from all the omnipotent bloggers out there, I will add it to the list and the next time I’m in church I will make sure to repent my awful sin.

We all suffer ARC envy, no matter how long we have been blogging, at times its human nature to want what someone else has got. Jill touched on it in her post about Dark Matter and that she was denied an ARC while other bloggers received them, she’s a fan of the author and so, it’s understandable that she was annoyed about being declined as other bloggers received the book and had no prior knowledge of the author or his work, but is that the bloggers fault or the publishers? A few months ago I requested an ARC, I was denied by both the publisher who I had emailed and Netgalley, it was the final book in a trilogy, I’d read the previous two books and would have been able to have written a decent review whereas, lots of other bloggers received the book and hadn’t read either of the two other books and thusly had to start their reviews with “it’s the third book, I haven’t read the previous two” – or similar whereas I could have written how it continued, how the characters continued to develop and if the book fit with the others in the trilogy, I ask you again though, is that the bloggers fault for requesting the book or the publisher?

And, I believe it’s the publisher’s fault or no one’s, it’s upto the publisher if they accept or deny review requests like it’s upto the blogger if they ask for the book. Is it annoying when someone gets a book you want and you don’t? Of course it is, but you may moan and sulk but at the end of the day you will buy the book anyway and sometime in the future the roles maybe reversed and you get a book that another blogger would have loved an ARC of.

I’m not a new blogger having accrued my 6 months and 500 followers but I’m certainly not an established blogger either, I probably sit somewhere in the ether of the forgotten in between lost and abandoned along the blogging highway of the vilified. But Jills comments got me thinking and I’d also seen some more new blog posts with that same damn rule and I feel the need to tell you that it’s a load of crap, new bloggers or those who don’t have that amount of followers don’t listen to or obey it. I’d like to find who thought it up and ask them what they’d been smoking and if they were high when they decided on it!

I’ve been lucky enough to get on some mailing lists for publishers. I’m in the UK and it willbe different for those of you in other countries, but I got accepted for one mailing list way before I’d reached that damn supposed golden rule. There’s only one UK publisher that I’ve found from browsing that has any sort of rule and their rule is 1000 followers on Twitter or Facebook, on the site it doesn’t mention anything about blog followers or how long you have been blogging just Twitter or Facebook which is stupid as you get loads of people follow you on there who have no interest in books or blogging.

I’ve come a long way since then and like to think I have crafted my own small but individual blog. And as such, the only rules I’d suggest to newer bloggers before requesting ARC’s are:

-To begin with, always be polite and professional when in contact with publishers, a small bit of personality is OK but predominantly keep correspondence short, polite and to the point.

-For the first time request a book from an author or series you read as your enthusiasm will come across in the email when asking. Obviously keep it polite and respectable but if you can say that it’s a series you really enjoy and would love the chance of the book, you may get lucky or you may not as the publicist will see your genuine love and enthusiasm for the book/author and could give you the chance.

-Don’t request loads of books, from either publishers or Netgalley, you could end up with so many to read and even some that don’t interest you. That ties into, only request books you have interest in. I get sent lots of press releases from one publisher and there’s nothing stopping me accepting each book but I don’t as it would be wrong, I only accept the books that genuinely interest me and I’ve declined far more than I’ve actually accepted.

-Always be polite and courteous and respect the publisher decision, if you’re not accepted onto a mailing list or your ARC request is rejected, moan about it all you want to friends and others but don’t moan to the publisher and keep requesting the same book over and over again or keep emailing asking why you were rejected, it won’t make you look good and you want to try to cultivate and build decent relationships with the publishers if given the chance, to allow future relationships to build and be given the opportunity to work with them again. You may get accepted, you may get rejected, you may get a reply from the publisher but you also may not, these are all things you need to be able to deal with in a grown up manner. And, let’s be honest, the worst thing that can happen is the publisher says no, it’s a word we hear throughout our entire lives and the world won’t end just because the publisher says no, you dust yourself off and get on with reading which you do for the love of it as you are a genuine book lover.

-Always be honest in your reviews, don’t simply throw your integrity away by pandering to authors by giving every book 5 stars in the hope that publishers will give you ARC’s. This isn’t just an ARC requesting rule but a blog rule in general. Always review honestly. Whether it’s a 5 star amazing book or a 2 star what the hell did I just read book! Review honesty and fairly and as long as you can say at the end of your review, when you read it through and check it, yes, that’s honestly what I thought about the book then you will make a genuine blogger.

On a side, no matter what you may think about the publishers and authors wanting to hear 5 star reviews and praise and if there indie authors who get annoyed as you didn’t like their book to. It’s not true, I’ve emailed with a publisher about this as I didn’t enjoy one of the books I’d read and he told me that they value honest, be it good or bad, honest reviews explaining what you liked or didn’t like in the book.

-I don’t believe in a time frame for requesting ARC’s or an amount of followers. I’d only suggest to you that you don’t request ARC’s until you feel comfortable with your blog and your reviews. Everyone reviews differently. When I first started blogging I didn’t know how to review or what style to use but after a while I settled on a simple style of book cover and then simple writing, I like to keep my blog simple and this simplistic review style works well for me. There’s other styles out there to all which work for other bloggers, vibrant and colourful, the use of gifs, bullet points, separate sections for each part of the review (plot, characters, writing, etc). I say to you, find what style works best for both you and your blog, remember to incorporate social media (Twitter is great for book bloggers and banter) and when your confident in your blog and reviews then request ARC’s.

Well, to paraphrase Eminem, there’s my ten cents, my two cents is free or in proper terms, to conclude:

New bloggers, ARC’s are not a given you may get lucky with them but you may not and they are something to work for, that joy at being accepted, added to a mailing list and/or receiving surprise book post is wonderful but it’s only an added extra to blogging and it’s something to appreciate and cherish not to be taken for granted.

Established bloggers, you may have years of blogging experience and thousands of followers and while to you, that may make you a better blogger and worthy of ARC’s, just because newer bloggers and blogs have less experience and followers it doesn’t make them any less worthy of requesting ARC’s than you are. The only difference is that you have been where they are, struggling to get the followers and the chances so please remember, you started out in the same place as new bloggers.

Maybe some of us came late to the blogging game but we’re all booklovers together whatever the genre we read and the only real rule every blogger should remember is that. From the newest blogger with one follower and a weeks blogging experience all the way through to the most experienced blogger with thousands of followers and years experience. ARC’s are not and should not be a given for anyone, they are an additional bonus to blogging and an occasional privilege to all y’all!

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  1. Wonderful rant, darling! Now, go say your prayers and repent to the ARC gods for your heinous crimes. How dare we violate the golden rule of book blogging by asking for them before we have 6 months of blogging and 500 likes. 🙂 I’m so glad you wrote this. It’s very informative for all of the newbies and maybe it will push some of the older bloggers who are afraid to ask for ARCs out of their shell. It doesn’t hurt to ask and it’s free!

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    1. Oh and the buttons on the site took a while to load. I’ve been having issues with WordPress all day. I don’t know if it’s something weird that’s only happening to me or if others also had issues. I don’t think it’s my internet connection but it’s possible.

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  2. I loved reading this so much !! 😀
    I actually just sent my first ever batch of email to publishers requesting Arcs so your post kind of comes at the right time ahaha! I never understood those rules by the way and everywhere I looked they were the same which kind of held me back from requesting anything, but then again I must admit I haven’t felt “ready” until lately, so I think it’s because of a mixture of both that I waited this long?
    As you said, I think it is useless to request books we’re not interested in or even a book in a series we haven’t read (WHO DOES THAT !!!) because I fell like it’s taking the opportunity away from someone who could really get the maximum out of said Arc.

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    1. Thanks for commenting, I hope you get lucky with the publishers, it really is a great feeling getting an arc. Feeling ready is more important than the supposed rules. And, unfortunately lots of people, there was loads who had arcs of the book I wanted which was the last in the trilogy who hadn’t read either of the other books. Thanks for commenting. 😀

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      1. Of course 😊
        I bet that’s true ! Even getting an e-arc of a book I’m really anticipating is very exciting so I can only imagine what it’s like when it’s a physical copy ! 😄
        Yeah ! Well that’s just selfish if you ask me 😑

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      2. It is selfish sadly, a few people have commented that the rule made them feel uncomfortable about requesting arc’s and I guess that validates my post but it’s unfortunate that other bloggers made other new bloggers feel that way and I can only speak for myself, I know I have more than 500 followers – somehow! But seeing that rule in supossed ‘help’ posts, 500 seems so far away when your starting out blogging. 🙂

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      3. Well, I’m one of those people, kind of… because each time I read it, I felt like I wasn’t ready even more !!! It’s not until I gained confidence as a blogger that I didn’t give a heck anymore !
        Yes it does !!

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  3. Well done on the subject Drew…
    I don’t know… personally.. I can’t believe these things need to be spelled out for masses. Why cause such a fuss over who gets the book and who doesn’t? This ARC envy and all the begrudging posts I come across time to time on who should and shouldn’t be entitled, is beyond me. TBH, I don’t even bother reading those posts anymore when they land in my inbox. It’s just – ah, another one of those, eh? 😀
    I just do my own thing, if I get the book, yay; if I don’t- happens… I guess, it’s kind of like ‘celebrity-madness’- people just lose their heads over something so trivial! I’m not saying books aren’t important and sure, we all have books that we are just dying to read, but blimey- people get their knickers in a twist big time.

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    1. Have you read the Twitter wars some of these book bloggers have with each other over ARCs? It’s insane! I don’t know if it’s because they’re young and immature, because I don’t know how old some of them are, but it’s so crazy how much they freak out over someone getting a book. I’m always happy for people when they get them. I was pissed about Dark Matter, the only ARC that has ever annoyed me, but I didn’t care that other people got it. I was mad at the publisher for not giving a real fan an ARC. To some extent, I guess it’s partly my fault since I haven’t found time to review his previous books or others I’ve read like it. I’m still working on putting together a more comprehensive list of reviews that are not YA or romance since I’ve read so much more than just that. Though if you looked at my archives you wouldn’t know any different, which is why I also blame myself for not getting one. When I requested Kasie West’s new book from Edelweiss, I told them how much I love her and that I’m a huge fan and I got the book within days of asking. I think that makes a world of difference on sites like Edelweiss. For now on, I’m only going to request books from authors I like on there and not just whatever piques my interest.

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      1. Oh my, Twitter wars? I couldn’t even.. it’d give me a headache! 😀 I know we’ve all been young and immature and I guess now with all the social media it’s easier to make oneself look a bit foolish…

        I totally get your point on the ARC thing as well, it would have probably pissed me off as well, but you and me, we wouldn’t start a twitter war over it 😀 and that’s the difference… I’ve been very slow with Netgalley. I’ve been signed up for a long time but only requested about 15 books in total. It’s not my first place to go for books, because I’m busy with the indie author requests and believe me, I’ve found some serious gems this way. 🙂
        Don’t blame yourself too much 🙂 Blogging is a task and a half and the task of creating& adding all your previously read book reviews to the archives is simply mammoth!

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      1. Ha! Drew, you said that just for me. 🙂 Well, aren’t you adorable. We should all start a Twitter battle. That could be fun. With all of us combined we’d be like a super hero team. I hate how WP does the comments for a thread, so I suppose I’ll have to reply in one big response here.

        Ha! Looking foolish, Liz! I’m pretty sure Drew and I look foolish on Twitter on a daily basis. Too bad I don’t care. 🙂 That’s the beauty of going with the flow. I always figure if I say something that annoys someone they’ll unfollow me, and oh well, because then they don’t like the real me and the hell with them if that’s the case. ARCs on NetGalley are like a weakness. It’s so easy to click and they keep saying yes. I’ve only been turned down for a handful of ARCs, which is why Dark Matter made me so mad. It’s all good because right after that I got approved for Nevernight and was over it. I still haven’t bought the book, mostly because I have too much to read. If I had that ARC, I would’ve flew right through it. 🙂

        I still need to work on those other reviews even if that wasn’t the reason. I’ve read loads of Stephen King books and he’s my favorite author, yet I don’t have a single review for him. Crazy, right? There’s a bunch of authors who don’t write baby books that I need to review. I’m working on being a big girl, all thanks to Drew. 🙂

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  4. I was requesting ARCs years before I started my blog! But then I was an established Amazon reviewer. My approval ratio on NetGalley has gone up since I started the blog.

    I broke the rule and sent an announcement to publishers right when I started the blog. Only one put me on their list in response. I should really send out an update now that I can point to the number of reviews I’ve posted and unique visitors (isn’t that more important than followers?).

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  5. I never knew there was a rule XD I started requesting almost straight away and some said yes, some no, but because I live in Spain!!! They didn’t say anything about followers or visits, just that they couldn’t send books internationally. I mean physical arcs, because when they said no, they still sent me the e-book in the 95% of cases. I don’t know why people get mad about this or others getting arcs if you’re going to be able to buy it later haha

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    1. It’s not the publishers that really mention followers, etc, it was other bloggers and how it’s worded never comes across as advice to help others. And, because if you get the ARC you don’t have to buy the book later on, they think they should get it for free then have a strop as they have to buy it on release. 😂

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  6. I actually love this post! I normally skim past the subject, but it is for the very reasons you mentioned. I do not need someone telling me when it is acceptable for me to attemt to obtain ARCs. WTF? I have been receiving several include a few nice hardcovers. I am also hardly established so I get denied a lot as well. It lies in the approach and the rest is up to the publisher or author. You addressed this perfectfly. Great rant!

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  7. I love both of your posts. I started blogging 3 years ago on another site, that’s where I was added to mailing lists and generated a rapport with publishers/publicists. It’s also how I built up my Netgalley account. I still blog there, and I blog here on a personal blog. I’m open with the publishers about where I will post the review, both sites are listed on my Netgalley. I feel as though that’s honest, and they can decide whether or not they will approve a request. My ARC’s are nobody else’s business, in my opinion.

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  8. I wholeheartedly agree with all of this! 🙌 I started emailing and asking, politely of course, for ARCs pretty much as soon as I started my blog. I just figured what do I have to lose? And it worked! No, I haven’t received every single book that I asked for but I have received quite a few! I also have had conversations with publishers about people not letting them know they reviewed a book when they’re done. I always tag them on Twitter or Facebook or whatever but I also send them an email. I don’t want them to miss my review and several publishers have confirmed that if they know you reviewed and added it to goodreads and Amazon and stuff then you’ll be way more likely to get approved again. Maybe even added to the ever allusive mailing list. Which I still haven’t done 😜 Another thing that I wanted to add is that many times I’ve had better luck with dealing with a separate publicist/company than just the publicity department for the publisher. I’m starting to get rambly, I’ll stop. 😜😂

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    1. No worries about rambling thanks for commenting. 😀

      I’m on a mailing list and didn’t even know it to begin with, then books started occasionally arriving and I was like, cool. 👍

      Yeah, totally agree about separate publicist, there contacts aren’t always easy to find on the publisher website though until you actually get a reply from one but it’s a great point.😀

      And, that’s the whole point, you’ve got nothing to lose if you request ARC’s straight away, worst case you don’t get the book and best case you do. 😀

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      1. I’ve noticed that often times authors have their publicist linked in their Twitter profile so it’s easy to find them that way! It’s just such a silly thing for people to get upset over. I know we all have moments of irritation but to have Twitter wars and stuff? Batty 😂

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      2. Ha, that shows how much attention I pay on Twitter though I do follow a few publicists – whispers quietly I asked one for a ARC on Twitter the other day and she was like sure thing, have one! Oh look, I’ve been blogging for 6 months now and have 500 followers so I feel same writing that and the blogger police won’t come get me!😂

        Dammit, Jill mentioned twitter wars and now you, I missed them! 😢

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      3. Haha! I once asked an author herself for a copy of her book not even an ARC 😱 and she was so kind and gracious! I’ve actually never seen these Twitter wars, just saw Jill make mention of them. I would like to see them though 😂 nothing like a good old internet train wreck

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  9. I read Jill’s post the other day and signed up for NetGalley last night, I’d never heard of it before that. I requested a book, thinking I’d just see what happened and I actually got accepted this morning! So excited 🙂 My blog definitely doesn’t fall into the 6 month 500 followers (yet) so I’m glad that isn’t the real standard.

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  10. I honestly didn’t know about the 6 months or 500 followers “rule” until reading your post back in July. It was too late for me as I use a couple sites like NetGalley. I’ve been approved for some (something that astonished me then and still does now) and I’ve been denied for others. I still haven’t been blogging for 6 months and I’ll honestly be shocked if I ever make it to 50 followers but I’m picky about what I choose to read. I know the publishers/authors are picky about who they give ARCs to. Basically, great post as always and I agree completely with your 10 cents. 😉

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  11. Yesss to this rant!! I started blogging 4 months ago and I obviously don’t have 500 followers. When I saw that rule, I was like… NOPE. I trusted my blog and prayed to the blogging gods for ARCs and they heard me. I got approved for ARCs on my first month of blogging with less than 100 followers (of course, e-ARCs, as I’m an international blogger). I really depends on what they see on the blog, or if they simply go eeny, meeny, miny, moe and choose you. So yeah, those rules suck. I guess they are trying to say to new bloggers that they should be patient if they don’t get approved, but those numbers they give are all wrong. I really enjoyed reading this post, thank you for bringing up this topic! 🙂

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    1. Thanks for commenting. 😀

      That could be true about saying new bloggers should be patient, unfortunately the posts I saw didn’t come across like that or being helpful to new bloggers it came over as an unbreakable rule and bad bloggers for breaking it and while you were like NOPE I was like hell no, rules are meant to be broken especially silly ones! 😂

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  12. Great advice. After three years of blogging I still don’t have any idea why I get some ARC requests approved and others are denied. I’m just going to toss it up to luck or fate or some top secret ARC computer which arbitrarily picks winners of all those Goodread ARC giveaways that I never seem to win. 🙂

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      1. Damn, you’ve actually won? I didn’t think anyone every won those things. I’m so glad I can finally say I know someone who actually won a Goodreads giveaway. 🙂

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  13. I don’t ask for ARCs. Honestly never thought about it. Since I’ve discovered the ability to check out ebooks through my Library, I don’t even need to buy books anymore. I do have a Netgalley account, but I just pick from the auto approved books (trying to build up my % thingamagummy so if I ever decided to request an ARC more likely to succeed).

    Honestly, most publishers don’t give two shits about book blogger’s blogs. What they care about are the Amazon and Goodreads reviews. So yeah, new bloggers, go and request — just make sure to review on Amazon and Goodreads!

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  14. I already read this on the toilet earlier and thought I’d like to wipe my arse on self-invented ‘rules’ like that. At the end of the day, it’s all a matter of jealousy, while we all share the same passion for books. Love and peace man. I still don’t really give 2 shits about who gets an ARC and who doesn’t. Unless it’s like with cases mentioned up here where you clearly have read the other books in a series and then someone who’s new to it gets one and you don’t. Not the other person’s fault though. Not anyone’s fault. It’s just the way it is (sings Tupac since you brought up Eminem ;). I will hardly ever get any physical ARC’s sent to me because I live in an inconvenient location for books that are written in English. Boo hoo :). NetGalley and Edelweiss work fine for me as well. I don’t even have the time to review all of my bought books!

    Great post Drew! Shows people who got scared by reading those other posts to stop being scared and just go for it! 🙂

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  15. I don’t usually do many ARC’s and those that I do just somehow come out of nowhere I’ve never asked for one .Either it’s some author on twitter or some publisher on goodread or sometime a website like book taster.

    That said I can understand why a publisher or author would want a certain number of followers for a blogger to have his book, it’s obvious they want publicity and if a blogger has a lot of follower who tune in to check a nice review of the aforementioned author/ publisher’s work than they get a huge publicity and possibly new readers ready to spend on their work .

    However when other bloggers suggest that there be a rule that sucks , it’s that holier-than-thou attitude that really annoys me sometimes .

    Again , I really don’t have much idea on these matter so I’m just blabbering my views

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    1. Nothing wrong with blabbering your views, all views are welcome on my blog though if you ever disagree with Jill on my blog Dr Rash then your on your own and can deal with her yourself! 😂

      Yeah, totally agree about author and publisher, I don’t have a problem with them having rules, you expect it, it’s the posts I’ve read from other bloggers regarding rules for new bloggers and telling them they shouldn’t request ARC’s until the 6 months/500 followers rule as it’s unfair to them and let’s be fair, they shouldn’t really do that as we’re all bloggers and we all start out the same looking for that first follower, etc to start our blogging journey. 😀

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  16. Well said Drew!

    “Don’t request loads of books, from either publishers or Netgalley, you could end up with so many to read and even some that don’t interest you…”

    I made the rookie mistake of joining NetGalley and going request happy. I really didn’t think I was going to be approved, so I requested a ridiculous amount of books… Next thing I know I had 75 approved books sitting on my shelf. I fully intend on reading them all, and I’ve banned myself from requesting on NetGalley until I make a sizable dent in my shelf. I feel really guilty about it actually since I’m sure people may have been denied books they really wanted because of newbies like me. Lesson learned!

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  17. Great post! I think this post (and Jill’s) are the only 2 posts that I’ve seen that don’t say you have to have a bunch of followers. When I first started blogging I was under the impression I would get in trouble or something if I requested ARCs too early 😂 I’ve still only been blogging ~3 months and I’ve gotten more ARCs than I expected. Either way, I’m always grateful to get them when I do 😊

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    1. Thanks for commenting.😀

      Yeah Jills post from the other day made me write this as she nagged me as I didn’t comment on her ARC’s bit – hi Jill if you see this! I wrote a post called ARC’s Ggggrrrr back in July, I think it’s linked in this post as ARC’s is one of my favourite subjects to moan about.

      I’m glad you mention that though about getting in trouble for requesting ARC’s early as it proves my point about the posts that are out there with these rules on, maybe there supposed to help new bloggers but there not worded like that and come across very much as thou shalt not steal are ARC’s! 😂

      I think the thing to remember with ARC’s is the worst that can happen is the publicist says no and you don’t get the book and the best is that you get the book. It’s not upto other bloggers to state rules though as all blogs start out the same with not many followers.

      Being grateful for ARC’s is definitely the way to go, it’s surprisingly cool to get an ARC.

      Well this reply turned into quite a ramble, apologies, Jills obviously rubbing of on me! 😂

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  18. Excellent post!! I’ve never asked publishers for ARCs. I wasn’t all that sure about reviewing books at first and being an amazon top reviewer I was actually approached by two publishers for reviews. But your post has certainly given me confidence in going out there and asking others for books I’m particularly keen on!
    You’re right in both this post and your last one. I didn’t even know there was a supposed rule about having 500 followers and 6 months of blogging. To me it matters what the quality of your reviews are no matter how small your following. I’ve got a blog that’s been in existence for 9 months and I still haven’t got 500 followers, does that make mine less worthy or getting ARCs. My first book review when I had 1 follower was for an ARC I got via amazon. People didn’t care I’d received the book for free, it only mattered about the review I wrote.
    I think the people who go on about this rule are those who are jealous because maybe they wish they had the ARCs you are getting. But it’s true, if the publisher doesn’t want to give you an ARC they won’t, so there’s never harm in asking – nothing ventured nothing gained as the saying goes.
    Where does all this ARC hate come from? I’ve not experienced it myself but wow! ARCs are something to be thankful for. One day you may be offered an ARC and the next you will be passed for someone else. What does it matter? You’ve really made a great post here, keep writing thought provoking posts like these, I like them :).

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    1. Yeah, there’s a few posts out there with the 6 months blogging/500 followers rule, it seems to be one that’s in all the advice to new bloggers posts but it never comes across as helpful advice only that it’s a rule and when you first start blogging if your checking out help posts, 6 months is easy to get, time flys but 500 followers is a daunting number and it seems a huge number to get to and it is, it wasn’t a number I ever thought I’d achieve but I somehow managed it. 😂

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      1. I guess I never read any posts on blogging tips or advice when I started, I just went ahead and blogged, learning along the way. Just as well lol! Congratulations again on 500! It’s amazing and that’s not counting the amount of twitter followers and others too! I think if you count it all up you’ve got even more 😮 😀

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      2. I didn’t look up tips before I started either, I just sort of winged it by myself, but I’ve not done to badly. The posts with the followers rule I found quite a while after I had started, I wouldn’t have obeyed the rule anyway as I think it’s stupid but it’s not really a blogging tip anyway and being honest 500 followers is a lot, seeing a few posts that says 6 months and 500 followers makes you think, well 6 months is easy to get to but 500 followers seems so far away when you’ve only just started blogging and after 6 months if you’re nowhere near that it would make you feel disheartened which contradicts the bloggers saying the idea is to help as if you request arc’s before that you will get denied, you don’t, you don’t always get the arc but at times you do . However I’d personally feel less bad about getting rejected for an arc after trying than seeing 500 followers posted and me not having anywhere near that when I got to 6 months as the arc rejection would possibly annoy you but lacking the followers would make you question your entire blog. 🙂

        Thanks, I never expected to get anywhere near the 500 amount! 🙂

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  19. Great post! I had a lot of ARC envy when I first started blogging. I saw bloggers getting boxes of books from publishers and I felt inadequate, even though I was new to it. It was even worse seeing that rule written on various blogs about the number of followers you needed to request ARCs, as 500 felt like such an unattainable number. However, both yours and RantAndRaveAboutBooks’ posts have definitely given me the confidence to request ARCs! I no longer envy people who get them, and to be honest I wouldn’t want them all the time, I like having the finished copy. So thank you!

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    1. Thanks for commenting.😀 everyone has or gets arc envy at some point, it’s human nature to want what others have especially if you’ve been denied it to or its a book you really wanted.

      Your definitely right, 500 followers does seem like an unattainable number, especially when your only just starting out, it’s not a figure I ever imagined I’d get and when you’ve got say 25 followers, you see those rules and it’s a huge number and you always feel so far away from the goal.

      Ha, go me and Jill – RantandRaveaboutBooks.😂

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  20. Thank you so much for this post! I need it. Being I am brand new to book blogging (a little over a month) and have like 9 followers. I wanted to request ARCs but I saw this golden rule also and got discouraged. Now I’ve definitely changed my mind.

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    1. It’s a stupid rule, all blogs start out the same, it’s unfair of other bloggers to dictate with rules like this, publishers yes, it’s upto them if they accept or decline the request but not other bloggers, they may have been trying to help new bloggers but the posts I read weren’t worded well and they didn’t come across as helpful to new bloggers merely stating supposed golden rules.

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  21. This was such a brilliant post! It’s funny, because yesterday I was reading posts about requesting ARC’s, and all the posts I read had the same “rule”, 500 followers/6 months. The fact that EVERY single post I read had the same rule made me a little confused. I mean, I didn’t realize there’s some strict book blogger code we all have to follow.
    But after reading this it made me feel a lot better. I still don’t think I’ll start requesting ARC’s for a while, because I haven’t really worked out how I’m going to review yet, and I don’t really want them either. I do enter ARC giveaways for ones I really want though, and I’ve surprisingly won a couple. Another way I can get ARC’s is through the library haha. I’m good friends with the librarian and she passes me on ARC’s she’s already read!
    Again, great post! 🙂

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  22. I started blogging back in 2011, specifically so that I could request books from NetGalley. I have been blogging ever since, and I’ve never REALLY reached 500 true followers, but I rarely get turned down for eARCs now, except from certain publishers who I have never really gotten in with.

    5 years later, I do not believe that ARCs are just for a select few, as I started out as a total newbie blogger. Publishers really took a chance on me, and I am grateful, as I really enjoy blogging about books.

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  23. There is no rule. The way I’ve always seen it, that 6 month/500 follower expectation is a suggested guideline, not something a new blogger has to adhere to just because they see repeated a million times on the more established blogs. I guess it still needs to be cleared up from time to time. To be honest, if any kind of “rule” does exist, it is determined by the specific publicist you are writing to, and even then a publicist often takes each request on a case by case basis. There are books you can request and get approved for on day one you start blogging. Other books you won’t even get a reply for even if you have been blogging for years.

    That said, there are good practices to follow. You listed a lot of good ones in your post, and to those I would also add: be reliable. Even if your blog has been around for years, if a publicist checks it out and sees no reviews, no relevant content, or hardly any activity in the last few months, it raises a flag – and they do check. If you request something, make an effort to review it. Even if it’s a DNF and you don’t feel comfortable reviewing something you don’t finish, be courteous and let the publicist know. They don’t expect reviewers to love everything they ask for, but keeping them updated on your plans will ensure you will continue to be approved for future requests.

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    1. Forgot to write this one last thing before my twitchy finger hit “post comment”. I do have to concede though, that sometimes follower count/time spent blogging does come into play, mostly in cases when you get auto-approved with a publisher or automatically added to their reviewer mailing lists. But being a new blogger should not bar anyone requesting.

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  24. This is exactly what I needed! I’ve been blogging for less than a year now and have an okay amount of followers but I kept berating myself about why I shouldn’t request for arcs cause I’m not popular enough. I guess I’ll try my luck now 😋

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  25. This is such a great post, thank you for sharing 😊

    I waited until the six month mark to directly email publishers because everywhere I looked people were saying that so I just presumed it was what was required, haha. It was also me not feeling ready either. I kind of wanted to prove to myself that I could stick things out. Sending my first request was nerve wrecking, but once I done that I felt so much more comfortable sending other emails! I requested Netgalley books from the get-go though, haha.

    I definitely wish I had seen a post like this when I started out! I feel like it’s really easy to get caught up in all those established bloggers posts when you first start out. It’s really great seeing something different.

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    1. Thanks for commenting.😀 If you waited until the 6 months though because it’s what you wanted that’s cool, it’s the bloggers that wait or don’t ever try because they see the posts and that rule set out by other bloggers and it makes them uncomfortable to even consider it. 😀

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  26. Great post! The only reason why I waited four months to request ARCs on Netgalley was that I did not feel confident enough and it felt like too much pressure. I only recently learned about the “rule” and all I can think of to answer to that is: whatever. Do whatever works for you. If you want to request, do it, what’s in it to lose?
    Also, thanks for reminding us about the honesty needed for a good review to be useful. I feel bad when I give a bad rating but I know it’s important for the review to reflect what I really thought, not what I think is expected of me because I received an ARC. Sometimes I see bloggers never giving less than 4 stars to books they review. Some of them state in their policy that they choose to publish only good reviews, but others give me the feeling they just don’t dare speaking their mind.

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    1. Thanks.😀 That’s the right reason to wait, until you feel comfortable not because of some rule, some of the comments have even said that they felt uncomfortable because of the rule and that’s why they haven’t requested. The whole 500 followers thing is bad though because when your only just starting to blog and even after, if you have even 200 followers 500 seems so far away.

      I feel bad about reviewing negatively to, that’s where the comment in the post came from as I had an email conversation with the publicist over the review and even though the review was negative he thought it was great as they want honest feedback be it good or bad. Unfortunately we can’t all like every book 5 stars, even if we give a 3.5 star review that’s still a good score and canbe positive, a well thought out lower review with valid points shouldbe better than a 250 word 5 star review that just says the book was great and doesn’t explain why. 😀

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  27. Hi Drew! Fantastic post here mate! And very true. Why should there be a rule of length of service or number of followers?? I blog for my joy, and my love of books. I have been blogging for more than six months, but, try as I might, I am still yet to achieve 100 followers, let alone 500! But, I use NetGalley. A lot. I actually broke one of your rules, and have a bit of a book backlog on there. But I am ploughing through the books, some great, some good, some terrible. But just because a publisher accepted my request for an ARC, this doesn’t change my review. One of the books I read really piqued my interest from its blurb. Then I read it. It was awful, in MY OPINION! to some, it will be great. But I hated it, and gave it a 1 star. And I told the publisher the same. I didn’t pander to what I though they wanted to hear like a simpering fool trying to garner favour. I told them what I thought of the book and why. I am still getting books on NetGalley. Nobody seems bothered by my lower readership, or my honesty in reviews.

    Obviously I would love to have hundreds of followers, but I know it takes work and time, so for now, I am just happy doing what I do.

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    1. Thanks for commenting.😀

      There shouldn’t be a rule for length of service or followers, not by bloggers anyway, if the publisher has certain rules it’s there choice but it’s not upto bloggers to dictate to other bloggers with certain stupid rules.

      There’s nothing wrong with having a backlog, the only thing that sometimes gets me about people with a Netgalley backlog is that there the same people who have that followers rule, they post they have a hundred Netgalley books then tell new bloggers they can’t request.

      That’s happened to us all with the blurb, it sounds great then the book turns out to be terrible. Honesty is the best way be it a great book or a terrible book. 😀

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      1. Twice I have been caught by deceptive blurbs! Just finished a book where the blurb sounded excited but the book was awful. Again that is only my opinion!

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  28. I was going to like this post but you seem to have the spinning wheel of death going on with your like button, so I thought I would instead just tell you that I liked it. I totally agree with you I stumled into a blog and then into book blogging and didn’t even know there were “rules”. The only thing I would ever say to people as a guideline is don’t think “I won’t get picked for any of these so I’ll just request loads and see what happens” I ended up pretty much getting accepted for everyone and couldn’t keep on top of it!! Great Post 🙂

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    1. Thanks for commenting, yeah the like button does seem to have days when it spins like the wheel of death, I blame wordpress and here shoddiness! 🙂

      That’s a valid point about requesting loads, it happens though and it can’t be helped , especially on NetGalley.

      There are some rules, well supposed rules and there normally in posts about helping new bloggers and a rule like the 6 months/500 followers one doesn’t really help anyone, but I broke that rule anyway. 🙂

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  29. YES!!! Best rant ever. This resonates so much. I definitely do not have 6mo/500 followers and when I first started thinking about ARCs, I was turned off by the culture and didn’t think I would get any responses. But I finally did last month and received a couple of ARCs!! I love your advice too and I think this post will help many bloggers trying to break onto the ARC scene. THANK YOU FOR WRITING THIS!! 🙂

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    1. Thanks for commenting and congrats on getting some ARC’s.😀

      Thanks, I hope it does help some bloggers on the ARC scene, that’s really what I was going for with the Rant, trying to offer some advice and help so I’m glad it comes across that way. 😀

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  30. Great post! I just started with NetGalley this July, after my blog was a year old. I didn’t wait a year thinking that was the rule, but rather I wanted my blog to look established before I requested anything, and I also wasn’t sure that I’d stick with my blog. I have a tendency to start things and never finish them, so I personally wanted to be sure blogging was something I really wanted to do – and I discovered that it is. I love it! I’m already feeling the pressure to read ARCs in a timely fashion though, and there are so many NetGalley’s that sound really good, but I don’t request them because I don’t have the time to get them read and reviewed prior to their publication date.
    I also requested a lot of NetGalleys right at first, thinking I’d be denied for all/most of them, and I was approved for far more than I expected to be! I think that NetGalley in particular is a bit more lenient than I expected. For instance, my rating is nowhere near the recommended 80%, and I am fairly new to it, but I’m still getting approved for a lot.

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    1. Thanks.

      I’m not up on Netgalley but others have mentioned them being more lenient to.😀

      Ah, see that’s the right reason to wait for ARC’s, you wanted your blog to look established and to wait until you knew if you liked blogging – your blogs really good by the way and always high praise for anyone who reads Hobb.

      But that’s what this post was really for, to tell people that they should request ARC’s when they feel ready and are comfortable with their blog not when other bloggers say they should as the posts I’d seen with that rule didn’t come across as helpful yet surprisingly my rant has been called helpful by bloggers. 😂

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      1. Oh wow – thanks so much!!
        Yeah, this post was very helpful. I wonder where that rule even came from…
        NetGalley was very easy to get set up with! They’ve got a wide variety of books, and many of my favorite authors are on there, so I’ve been a bit excited to get ARCs from various authors that I follow.

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      2. I believe that the rule came from other bloggers, no publishers I’ve seen mention it and none of the posts I’ve seen it in say it’s publisher advice, it always came across as a blogger rule, publishers will have their own rules and it may vary on which book you ask for but bloggers shouldn’t really have rules dictating, we all start the same with no followers until we build up our blogs, bloggers should help other bloggers not give them crazy rules. 😀

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  31. I don’t really request ARCs because having strict deadlines on something I do as a hobby stresses me out. So I’m definitely not an expert on ARCs. I think the 6-month/500 follower thing is something specific publicists have mentioned as being useful guidelines. It’s not really an arbitrary guideline older bloggers are establishing to keep ARCs away from the newbies. However, the fact that a specific publicist or two said this doesn’t mean it’s the rule for all publishers, and I think the mistake the blogosphere has made has been picking up this information and repeating it everywhere like it’s some universally established truth.

    On the other hand, I can’t say it’s a bad guideline, no matter who came up with it. Of course it doesn’t always apply. But, from a common sense viewpoint, I could believe that many publicists will want to ensure a blogger has been blogging enough that they are likely to keep doing so. Very many people start blogs and just flame out after a month or two. And 500 is a reasonable follower number, I think, if you want the book to actually get publicity. After all, many bloggers have a number of dead followers who no longer actually read their blog. So if you “officially” have 500 followers, you most likely have much fewer than that.

    In my experience, big publishers will have stricter guidelines, though I’m sure they make exceptions. I imagine it’s easier to get ARCs from smaller presses and indie publishers before hitting some type of “impressive” threshold of age and followers.

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    1. Thanks for taking the time to comment.

      You make a lot of valid points. While I know it’s technically not a rule that older bloggers use to keep away ARC’s from newer bloggers, it’s how it came across in the posts I read, one went as far as to write it’s unfair of new bloggers to request ARC’s as it takes them away from their blog and others come across that way to, it’s perhaps just how it was worded in those posts but it wasn’t worded as helpful advice. I guess for every crap post I read there would be another that I didn’t read that offered proper helpful advice.

      I do agree about the publisher wanting to get the book publicity which helps if you have more followers what annoyed me though is that I got denied an ARC, it’s not a woe is me moment as it happens to everyone but it was for the third book in a trilogy, I’d read the previous two books and really liked them both, if I’d gotten an ARC I could have written a decent review and included how the book continued the story of the trilogy and how the characters had grown throughout and if it was actually a good continuation of the story. And then when you see bloggers who received ARC’s and while, yes, they had more followers they hadn’t read the previous books and started their 300 word reviews with I haven’t read the other books, I didn’t know the back story and didn’t understand what was going on it’s annoying but it happens to everyone.

      I just think that rule needs wording better and in a more helpful way but if any blogger wants to request an ARC they should, worst that happens is they get declined but that rule makes it seem that if you haven’t got the 500 followers even if some of them are dead followers that you’ve failed at blogging and when you’ve only recently started out 500 seems a long way away.

      Thanks for commenting once again. 😀

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      1. Oh, wow. That does sound obnoxious! People can request books whenever they want, and publishers can give them to whomever they want! The fact that someone’s blog is older doesn’t mean it necessarily has more followers than a newer blog, and it definitely doesn’t mean the blog is better written. There are some very old blogs that I simply don’t find interesting, and if I were in charge of publicity, I’d rather give the book to someone who writes thoughtful reviews, not someone with higher stats.

        Like, you, I’ve seen bloggers get books late in series they’ve never read, and it baffles me. I sincerely hope they didn’t request it. But I know some bloggers just get sent boxes of unsolicited books. In that case, I know it’s not their fault, but it IS disappointing to see other people get an ARC they can’t do anything with when you’ve read the series and know you would write it a great review. I personally haven’t seen anyone try to read and review these books with a disclaimer they’re jumping on in the middle of the series, but that’s just odd. Give the book away to someone else, or read the first two books first or something. o.O

        I think people like concrete numbers, so now we’re stuck with the 6 month/500 follower thing even though no one seems to know where it comes from, and, as you point out, following it too strictly can be limiting. As I said, I think it’s just an overly specific way of saying “You should have been blogging long enough we can tell you’re not going to quit, and you should have more than 5 people reading your posts.” But you can show that in all kinds of ways. For example, I think I’d have faith in, say, a 3 month old blog that had 3 blog co-bloggers who clearly purchased a domain name, self-hosting, and a custom design. Those are people who invested enough money and thought into opening their blog they’re likely to stick around.

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  32. This was such a great post to read, thank you for sharing it with me 🙂
    I have to say, when I first started blogging, I didn’t know a thing about ARCs. Then I heard we were supposed to like, have tons of followers and pageviews and just be a famous bloggers to get them – or so I thought. I felt like big, big bloggers only got ARCs and I would never. Then I found out about Netgalley, tried and requested some books, and I got approved even if I was far from 500 followers at the time. I wanted to scream because I was so happy, haha. I guess we all need to have our own rules when it comes to ARCs. Request them when we feel ready to, I guess 🙂

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    1. Thanks, I’m glad you didn’t mind me sharing, I’m a bit wary of leaving links in comments as it sometimes comes across as “come check my blog out” but I thought with reading your post that you may find it interesting and I’m glad you didn’t mind.😀

      I knew about ARC’s as I’d won a couple of Goodreads Giveaways prior to having a blog, they were actual published books and not ARC’s but I had to search what an ARC actually was as the term kept coming up in the Giveaways.😂

      Yeah, Netgalley is a good place to request from. I ignored that rule about followers after I’d seen it written on a fair few blogs though and requested some books straight away, don’t get me wrong I didn’t start a blog for ARC’s but thought they’d be a nice privilege if I got to the stage that I felt comfortable requesting them then when I saw that rule being bandied around I decided to break it – terrible aren’t I! But in truth that rule made me question blogging as it made me think that you needed to be a huge blog and for small upcoming blogs there was no hope but I got accepted for what I asked for and it just made that rule seem irrelevant as I was completely honest that I’d only just started blogging and didn’t have followers but would they take a chance and allow me a copy to review and they did, happy days.😀

      I do think requesting them when you as a blogger feels ready is or at least should be one of the main rules as it takes time to feel comfortable doing things, getting your blog sorted, finding your own little niche in the blogging community, etc and once you’ve done that ARC’s should be a privilege to all or at least most.😀

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      1. Oh no, I’m glad you shared this post, and it’s not like you just stopped by with a link and didn’t say anything at all, haha. I really enjoyed reading this 🙂 And yeah I guess sometimes it’s okay to break rules ahah. I guess when you’re a newbie it’s a bit impressive to think about getting ARCs at all, it seems so out of reach at the time – at least that’s how I felt at first 🙂

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  33. Brilliant post, Drew! I have to so agree with you that sometimes the publishers can be at fault since they’re the ones that determine who gets access to a certain ARC. The entire system is simple but complex at the same time. I know the ideas of ARCs are a way of promoting and publicizing a release of a title (so generally reviewers that are able to reach a broader audience with bigger followings are prioritized), but you raise a good point! What if the bloggers aren’t interested in those unsolicited galleys? This past year has been the year of unsolicited ARCs for me. I’m forever grateful for the free books, but I have zero interest in some of them or I’m not able to read and review them before their release dates (since only prioritize the ones that I request myself-which is already difficult for me to handle with my academic studies and life offline). I have contacted them letting them know of this because I rather save the shelf space and that the ARC to go to another reader that’ll appreciate it more than me, but I never got a response back. And I still get them in the mail occasionally. (Though, less than before so maybe that’s something.)

    Anyway, I think I’ll always view receiving ARCs as an honor, despite the flawed system, just because it’s exclusivity. Even if I’m not able to read an ARC for its release date, I do make an effort to “promote” or raise awareness of its release through other means such taking photos of it on Instagram, tweeting about it, or sharing it in a book haul post at the least.

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    1. Thank you and thanks also for the comment. 🙂

      Yes, reviewers with bigger following gets priority, I can’t disagree with that as it’s true and it’s also valid as the idea is to get the book promotion. My problem isn’t per se with the unsolicited ARC’s sent out though that bloggers may not have asked for but read anyway and have trouble reviewing the book, it happens to us all – I hate reviewing as I’m not confident in my writing ability and compared to some come of as very informal. But I don’t mind when bloggers get an unsolicited ARC that’s for a book in a series that they haven’t read (I recently got sent the final book in a trilogy that I haven’t read and if/when I read it I won’t know what’s going on) and in the review write that they didn’t know what was going on and couldn’t follow the story. It’s when bloggers actually request the books from netgalley and get approved for books in series that they haven’t read as it doesn’t serve any real purpose then if they haven’t read the previous books and don’t know what’s going on and with a limited supply of ARC’s it means that someone who has read the previous books will miss out on an ARC when they could have given a better review – not in content – I’m not saying anyone reviews better than anyone else as we all have our own style but they would be able to write a review and include aspects of the previous books, characters, story and if it’s a fitting new book in the series, etc.

      I think that also goes for publishers though, yes, bigger book blogs can garner more interest in the book but if a smaller blog asks for an ARC as it’s the new book in a series that they have read then it wouldbe nice of the publishers at least considered the smaller blogs as a reader who has read the previous books could give a more rounded review having knowledge of the previous books.

      It is a flawed system though and it seems to change from country to country to. 🙂

      That’s a great way to promote the books though even if you don’t read them.

      And, yes, reading and reviewing and even receiving ARC’s is an honour. 🙂

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  34. That seems like a very fair view. I feel like a small or medium book blogger tend to be the ones I’d contact first to ask for an ARC review, just because I feel like their stack of galleys and ARCs and TBR pile might be smaller so I’d have a better chance of actually getting a review.

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